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Does anyone actually have a clip of KO saying McCarthy will be the 2nd string QB? Or that the team has no plans to trade him?

The reason I ask is because I find it very hard to believe. If McCarthy outplays Kyler in the preseason which by the sound of reports is far from impossible, there's no way KO keeps JJM around for the fans to chant and pine for all year.

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And yet, he was reportedly still better than Murray in at least half the practices playing mostly with the second team.
I don't get the OConnell nut hugging. You are talking about a guy in McCarthy who hadn't played football in almost two years, zero in game reps to build cohesion, zero adjusting of the offense by the whisperer, an offensive line decimated by injury, and you expected, what...Peyton Manning? Every quarterback who took a snap in Minnesota last year was abysmal because of all these same factors. Let's not single out McCarthy. Everyone struggled in the chuck and duck..

I think he only outperformed Murray in the night practice. The rest of TC they were pretty close but KM was definitely attempting and completing more downfield deep passes. JJM was check down charlie and NO SECONDARY was worried about him and his deep ball. That allowed the secondary to cheat up and make the playable field smaller. Which then screws over your WR2/WR3/TE. You need to be some sort of threat with a deep ball to stretch the field.

And I think that was one of the biggest reasons why they named KM the starter. JJM was looking the same as he always has. Short throws, limited touch and slow processing. Not what you want out of your starting QB.

Unfortunately I have a bad feeling JJM is going to be starting by week 7 or 8 due to a KM injury. We'll probably be 4-3 around then and finish 8-9ish again...

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It's all about windows and core players at certain ages and contracts. Players like Jefferson, Addison, Darrisaw, O'Neill, Turner, Cashman, Redmond, Gink, Murphy, etc. I don't know if you've looked around the NFL much, but in context with the rest of the league, that's a damn good core. As many said last year, we're average QB play away from competing for a title. The same holds true this year. This is very definitely a win-now team.

Um? Look we have a solid roster and you mentioned a few legit needlemovers but there are good players on every team. If the braintrust really thinks our core is so strong that we couldn't possibly start JJ McCarthy this season, then that core probably also deserves better than what Kyler has shown to date.

Everything and I mean everything about this offseason has felt messy. Hopefully now with the rookies flashing and a starter in place, that changes. But with McCarthy still on the team I'm skeptical.

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Not at all surprised by this. It was the most obvious outcome

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/49582977/new-minnesota-vikings-kyler-murray-jj-mccarthy-starter-qb1

EAGAN, Minn. -- No one should be surprised that Kyler Murray won the Minnesota Vikings' quarterback competition.

Murray demonstrated this spring that he had recovered from a foot injury that limited him last season with the Arizona Cardinals. From that point on, it was clear that his talent level represented a formidable obstacle for the Vikings' incumbent, J.J. McCarthy.

Murray got a bit bogged down in a complicated offense toward the end of minicamp, which he noted was happening while getting only half the reps that a starter normally would, and then again during the second week of training camp. But at some point, coach Kevin O'Connell had to make a call. It came Tuesday.

What went into the decision? Is Murray the Vikings' long-term answer, or could McCarthy one day re-emerge? Let's take a closer look.

Was Murray's win inevitable?

No, but he was always a heavy favorite.

This was a genuine competition in the sense that the best quarterback on the roster would start and neither would benefit from an off-field advantage. There would be no organizational inertia toward finances -- the Vikings are paying Murray the veteran's minimum of $1.3 million, while McCarthy is in the third year of his rookie contract -- nor toward draft status. The general manager who traded up to draft McCarthy No. 10 in 2024, Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, was fired in January. O'Connell was free to simply pick the best player, which turned out to be Murray, the No. 1 pick by Arizona in 2019.

Murray faced some potential roadblocks given his recent injury history -- he has played fewer than 10 games in two of his past three seasons -- and the fact that McCarthy had a two-year head start on learning O'Connell's scheme. But once Murray showed he was healthy, his inherent skill set advantage was obvious to any objective observer.


Did Murray perform well in camp -- or just better than McCarthy?

This gets to the crux of the matter moving forward. It's one thing to be the best quarterback on a roster. It's quite another for Murray to have positioned himself to power an explosive offense during a regular season that will start with crucial games against two NFC North rivals, the Green Bay Packers and Chicago Bears, in its first two weeks.

Murray had some intriguing days when he appeared to move through his reads in rhythm and find open downfield receivers, sometimes after breaking the pocket. He also demonstrated his ability to rescue broken plays with his speed and open-field running.

But in the three practices leading up to O'Connell's announcement, Murray struggled. To top it off, he threw two interceptions -- and barely missed throwing a third -- during the Vikings' annual full-pads night stadium practice on Sunday. There were other days when his passes misfired, although usually it appeared less an accuracy issue than it was that he was still learning exactly where to place the ball.

The most charitable way to put it is that through two weeks of practice, Murray has shown that he has a long way to go before anyone should believe he is ready to have the kind of season that would revitalize his career.


So why did the decision come now?

O'Connell had boxed himself in. He acknowledged Tuesday that his plan had always been to make a decision in this time period, about nine or 10 practices into training camp, to allow enough time for Murray and the offense to come together before the regular season begins.

When that time arrived, neither quarterback had established himself. But O'Connell prioritized maximizing the time remaining before the start of the season. He also reiterated that part of the point of the competition was creating "a competitive environment filled with wildly capable players that could then obviously elevate our quarterback room through that process and in doing so elevate our team."

To that point, while Murray has not had an eye-opening camp, it is more than reasonable to believe the Vikings would get better quarterback play from him this season than McCarthy.


Can Murray run the Vikings' offense?

That remains to be seen, in part because the Vikings are perhaps coincidentally in the process of adjusting their offense in ways that would benefit him.

They have been experimenting with more shotgun and pistol run plays after spending the third-most time (47%) under center during O'Connell's first four seasons in Minnesota. During Murray's time with the Arizona Cardinals, the team was under center at the league's third-lowest rate (18.3%).

Murray has displayed superior arm talent to McCarthy in getting the ball to downfield receivers, a big part of O'Connell's offense. But in team drills during full-pads practices, when pass rushers are active, Murray has not always appeared to see whether receivers are open in the middle of the field. That will no doubt be a focus during the coming weeks.

What does this mean for McCarthy?

It's bad news, obviously, but in truth that news was delivered the moment the Vikings signed Murray.

McCarthy finished the 2025 season on an upswing, ranking No. 7 in QBR (69.8) after Week 13. But he would have still needed to make significant progress this offseason and summer to mount a true challenge.

Instead, his level of improvement was incremental at best. It was not nearly enough, and O'Connell's decision to end the competition at a down point in Murray's training camp performance was a reflection of how difficult it was going to be for McCarthy to win.

He'll enter his third NFL season as a backup, and there is not much precedent for top-10 picks getting replaced in the offseason -- as McCarthy was, for all intents and purposes -- and then coming back to regain the organization's permanent starting job.

O'Connell said he "absolutely" thinks McCarthy has a future with the organization. But the next opportunity might not happen unless Murray is injured, a possibility that recent history merits a close eye on.

Will the Vikings trade McCarthy?

While O'Connell gushed over how McCarthy has handled training camp, and the months that preceded it, a trade can't be ruled out. The Vikings re-signed their 2025 backup, Carson Wentz, in March and he has worked as the No. 3 quarterback in camp. O'Connell confirmed that McCarthy will be the No. 2 quarterback, but Wentz's presence shouldn't be discounted. If the Vikings had deep conviction about McCarthy's future, they wouldn't have felt compelled to sign Murray and would have given McCarthy more than 10 starts to develop.

What does this mean for WR Justin Jefferson and the rest of the franchise?

Murray will be the Vikings' fourth different Week 1 starter in the past four seasons. After he struggled to reach 1,000 receiving yards in 2025 with McCarthy and then-rookie Max Brosmer starting 12 combined games, Jefferson has a better chance of elevating his production if Murray plays a full season.

But Murray's ascension, and McCarthy's demotion, continues a decades-long organizational tradition of plucking veteran quarterbacks for potentially short-term roles. During O'Connell's tenure alone, he'll be the ninth different quarterback to start a regular-season game.

The Vikings agreed to a contract clause that prohibits them from using the franchise tag to retain Murray in 2027. So if he has a career season, he will have a clear path to the free agent market and a potential bidding war. If he struggles or is injured, it's hard to project the Vikings' interest in bringing him back.

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This is the team that let Will Anderson Jr go to Tx too....

Let's see what K1 can do with a seemingly better surround and coaching staff.

Only thing I am asking of McCarthy anymore this season is to stay healthy, stay ready and keep grinding.

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Max Brosmer on Kyler Murray

Quarterback Max Brosmer said Kyler Murray has "maturely" handled the competition with J.J. McCarthy when asked what he's seen from Murray behind the scenes.

"The biggest thing is the urgency to continue to grow and learn," Brosmer told the Minnesota Star Tribune. "I think for anybody coming in learning a hard, difficult offense, I think that's one of the more challenging things, especially learning our offense and having to go against one of the better defenses in the NFL, if not the best. That's a really tall task for anybody coming in. He's handled it maturely. He's handled the entire situation maturely. The entire room has done a great job embracing the situation and embracing the roles everyone is playing."

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Joshua Metellus on Kyler Murray


Safety Joshua Metellus on what he's seen from Kyler Murray, the new Vikings starting quarterback: "A lot of great stuff. Stuff he's been putting on tape since he's been in the league. Obviously, it's different seeing it every day in practices. I've seen a guy who's come in, being intentional, wanting to get better, be that leader and wanting to be that guy. I'm excited for him."

Center Blake Brandel was asked about Murray earlier in camp before the decision was made: “Clearly a vet. I feel super confident in him running the offense and running the show. It’s not an easy offense to pick up and he’s done a great job of that. I’m pumped.”

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Brandel said..

Center Blake Brandel was asked about Murray earlier in camp before the decision was made: “Clearly a vet. I feel super confident in him running the offense and running the show. It’s not an easy offense to pick up and he’s done a great job of that. I’m pumped.”

Brandel at 6'6" continued ...However when Kyler is under center it tickles when his helmet bumps my nuts.

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pattersaur wrote:

Does anyone actually have a clip of KO saying McCarthy will be the 2nd string QB? Or that the team has no plans to trade him?

The reason I ask is because I find it very hard to believe. If McCarthy outplays Kyler in the preseason which by the sound of reports is far from impossible, there's no way KO keeps JJM around for the fans to chant and pine for all year.

I haven't seen any video where he specifically states he's the 2nd string, but O'Connell said that he "absolutely" believes McCarthy still has a future with the organization even though Murray has replaced him. "As he knows," O'Connell said, "he's holding the pen on his story and we're going to support him and try to just help him continue to improve as a young player in the most difficult position in sports."

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I just watched the entire press conference. (There were some technical issues when it was live & I've only seen snippets of it before now.) He was asked if JJ is the backup & he said that he is.

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purplefaithful wrote:

Max Brosmer on Kyler Murray
Quarterback Max Brosmer said Kyler Murray has "maturely" handled the competition with J.J. McCarthy when asked what he's seen from Murray behind the scenes.
"The biggest thing is the urgency to continue to grow and learn," Brosmer told the Minnesota Star Tribune. "I think for anybody coming in learning a hard, difficult offense, I think that's one of the more challenging things, especially learning our offense and having to go against one of the better defenses in the NFL, if not the best. That's a really tall task for anybody coming in. He's handled it maturely. He's handled the entire situation maturely. The entire room has done a great job embracing the situation and embracing the roles everyone is playing."
Strib

Maturely. Interesting choice of words.

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“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

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“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

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“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

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“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

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Bummer I really thought JJ McCarthy solidified himself as the starter after completing 40 percent of his passes at that night practice.

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He finished the night 3 out of 13 and the JJ boyz had their chests puffed out.

As Cris Carter said.... The bar is really really low for him.

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“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

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